In this episode, Zach talks with Daniel and Jeremy of East Mane, a producer/rap duo from Chicago. They discuss aliens, how anxiety towards weed inhibits creativity and approaching music as a means of self-improvement. Jeremy and Daniel also vent their frustration with streaming services, and share why the vulnerability of creation leads them to respect music they don’t like. A disagreement about Avatar: The Last Airbender leads to an unlikely competition, and the duo explains why variety is the result of experience.